. >> bill clinton probably feels he's been caricature. >> dick cheney didn't do aot of media interviews. he worried about looking like he was in charge by being too public and that fed themage in a counter intuitive way. >> why did he talk to you. he has his own book out about his history of heart problems. designee spent a good amount of time with me. very generous with his time. i hope they believe his time sets the record straight for history much he was undefensive, very calm, he's got his point of view and he feels firmly about it. >> looking back as a guy that covered the bush administration and still covers the white house, how much did reporters know at the time about what was really going on behind closed doors or do we always have to wait for the books and for people to be out of office. >> my current theory is maybe we get 20%. >> 20%. >> of what's really getting on. we get large trust. elm missing a lot of what's going on. this book won't get to you 100% but maybe 30% or 40%. once people leave office they feel freer to talk and they one it's history >> you're at the white ho